7 responses to “How Google’s Open Sourcing of VP8 Harms the Open Web”

  1. dave

    It’s kind of reminiscent of the W3C vs. WHAT-WG web standards spat a few years back.

    For those unaware: the W3C (in charge of web standards) kind of lost its way for a while, working on an improved HTML called XHTML that was of little or no use to the real world. Much of their standardisation energy was diverted by telcos working on lucrative content delivery schemes within the walled gardens for the mobile web (i.e. not the actual real web you get on an iPhone, or even with Opera Mini or Mobile, but WAP stuff and things that the carrier charged you for viewing).

    Rather that just sit by and let this disaster unfold, Apple, Google, Mozilla and Opera set up their own group outside of the standardisation process and started work on what would become HTML5. After a few years of rapid progress the W3C realised they’d picked the wrong horse and HTML5 was brought back into the fold, though not without a lot of wailing and moaning.

    I’m guessing that’s at least partly what Google is hoping for with this move.

  2. dave

    Also, what’s the chance of Brazil (or other similar market) adopting this for Digital TV or a shiny-disc based format similar to SVCD? Any thoughts?

  3. FUD pushing back hard against Google WebM | ZDNet

    [...] At his blog he questions whether Google’s move is good for the open Web at all. leaving VP8 code out in the open with nothing but a mutual non-assert license leaves the patent issue not only unaddressed, but up for capture by those with uncharitable agendas, and on their turf and time frame [...]

  4. Tab Atkins

    Rob,

    You seem to be either mistaken or naive on the ability of a standards body to produce a good result when patents are involved.

    In particular, let us look at this statement from your article: “Contributing VP8 to a standards group with a strong patent disclosure policy would be a good corrective move; it would force lurking patent holders to come fully into the public.”

    Standards bodies have no power over companies that are not members of that body. For example, if VP8 were given over to the W3C, only W3C member companies, and particularly only those who had joined the relevant Working Group working on the problem, have to disclose any patents. Any other company can merrily ignore the call for disclosures.

    The only reason to join a standards body in the first place, and the working group in question, is if you want a hand in the development of the standard around the technology. If you’re a patent troll, though, you have no incentive to do so. You want to ensure that the standard incorporates some technology that you own a patent on, but beyond that you have no interest in contributing to the technology, and would in fact prefer that nobody knows of your interest so that you can stealth-sue sometime in the future.

    So, having the technology owned by a standards body would not guarantee, or even strongly suggest, that all relevant patents are known about.

    Further, “disclosing” is not the same things as “licensing royalty-free”. A company can disclose a patent they hold during the call for disclosures, and maintain their license. This merely means that they reserve the right to police their patent, and in practice means that the standard must avoid infringing on that patent.

    So, even among the companies who are legally bound to disclose their relevant patents, disclosure does not in any way guarantee a royalty-free standard.

    So, your argument that Google submitting VP8 to a standard body would create a better patent landscape is false. Such an action certainly has advantages, but this is not one of them.

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